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Saturday, 19 November 2011

Tyra Banks tricks a Goth...

This is a very old video now but I wanted to bring it to your attention and see what you guys think of it. I don't really watch the Tyra Banks show, but I found this on YouTube when browsing the term 'Goth'. Yes, yes, I have too much free time.

So this Goth girl is on the Tyra show hoping to meet some eligible Goth guys. But Tyra has taken three non-Goth chaps and decked them out in black clothing (and some seriously sloppy make-up, which makes me wonder how the girl (Liz?) didn't realise this was a set-up) seemingly to try and prove that you can have something in common with someone outside your subculture.

Now, personally I'm in two minds about this. No, I don't feel you should judge potential romantic partners solely on clothing and taste in music, in which case you could possibly say that she might have learned a valuable lesson. But on the other hand, this is a bit underhanded really, as how is she supposed to figure out if she has anything in common with any of these guys if they are, basically, lying (e.g. describing their Goth style as 'stompy' or 'drapey' when outside of this ten-minute skit they have no interest in Goth at all; name-dropping Goth bands to get her interested when they don't really like those bands?).

I think it would perhaps have been fairer to set her up with these nice non-Goth gentlemen without any costuming or pretense and letting her find out for herself that she might have more in common with them than was obvious from first appearances.

But what do you guys think?

30 comments:

Melancholy said...

Lucky you, you have free time. I have couple of hours a week, being goth and good student can be exhausting. But I wouldn't do it any other way.

Anonymous said...

1 never take tyra banks show seriously
2: I don't think there's a blanket statement for everyone, perhaps just do what you're comfortable with. You can stay within the subculture if you like, go the complete opposite and date exclusively outside of it, or anything in between

Nightwind said...

Goth or not, I wouldn't want to attempt finding romance on TV anyway. I like my privacy way too much for that.

Sp@dille said...

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I just wrote a beautiful post butalas, it was lost...ok...again.
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I found this post interesting, agreeing that she should have been allowed to meet these men 'without the cloak of deceit' so to say.

I also feel that it may have been interesting to make the experiment double blind...whereby the young lady as well as the gentlemen are unware of what they face... put them behind a screen...show their shadows....
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As it is I think it just becomes a sad attempt at proving some sort of disturbing point...
^-^ Hope I haven't taken this 'sharing of opinions' too far...

Swofter said...

This is so unfair for the poor woman. I'm into the "not- judge- the- look" thing so Tyra has a small point, but Liz is probably so humiliated and embarrassed.

Shewearscrazywell said...

I agree with you the hokey nature of her pathetic talk show...makes any serious subject highly doubtful! I love how the guy look disgusted at the though of going out with the young lady at the end of the clip when Tyra suggested they go out to a goth club. I think these guys just wanted on tv and the girl did too. I agree with you that people shouldn't judge based only on styles...my hubby doesn't look like he'd pick me but he is my true soul match!! Hearts, Janna Lynn

Naomi said...

I already stopped watching it as soon as the guys walked in. This truly sickens me to my stomach. It's like they didn't even tried. And like they instructed the guys to act as stereotypical as possible. Yuck!

Anonymous said...

that was hilarious!! oh my god, she totally had that coming. she wasn't even goth anyway!

Cate said...

I hate that video -_-

Siren Red said...

*sigh* I can't describe what I'm thinking about this video.

DEATH OF A RAVEN said...

It's that damn neurotypical world again. Trying to make us individuals go out with, who they expect us to go out with. A very bad case of the blind leading the blind. It's so easy to be tricked and decieved by neurotypes. The neurotype world is all around you everyday. Buy one humiliation, and get another two or three absolutely free.

katysioux said...

I've seen this before. It was painfully obvious that the guys were fakes right from the start.

Toxic Tears said...

...HOW can she not tell? .____. Not to mention in terms of looks, she chose the least convincing guy of the lot, seriously what was that? *face palm* Although at least it seems they did some proper research into goth music.

Sofia said...

No point proven.

Cassandra said...

Deception can be used to wake someone up to an important truth, provided the truth comes out eventually. However, I think such tactics are most effective in the hands of someone who honestly wants the target to grow, and who is sensitive enough to realize how to apply the deception. I am very hesitant to believe that a TV show is particularly interested in the personal growth of their guests or in being sensitive; they just want to entertain their audience.

Daniel_8964 said...

I find this show pretentious as the guys don't even like the bands and dressing in Goth finery to impress Liz than being their own person. The only good thing about it was when David referenced Bauhaus Bela Lugosi's Dead.

Kitty Lovett; The Unadulterated Cat said...

"No, I don't feel you should judge potential romantic partners solely on clothing"

Disagree wholeheartedly. If a man dresses and looks like crap I will not date him. I'm not talking about "must be gawth". I'm talking about "must not think tracksuit pants are appropriate for going to a pop culture festival". I did break up with a guy partly over this - I don't like putting in effort to look nice only to have my partner's sloppy dress, and by extension, attitude.

Good dressing is important to me. Does it make me shallow? No. Because what you look like is a big part of who you are.

(off-topic, I'm pretty sure my slowly-improving-in-his-dress-growlithe has a crush on you. not sure if approve, or jealous)

Asheley B. said...

I say when I watched this clip a few years ago it had a good message, yet the delivery and execution was horrible. Heck everyone knows that looks are not everything and Goths can find love with people that do not dress in any Gothic fashions. That clip really doesn't help prove anything to that gal. A guy or gal doesn't have to dress Goth but dang it, they do need to take good care of themselves. Have confidence in what is worn, even if it doesn't match.

ultimategothguide said...

Kitty - SOLELY on clothing, Kitty, SOLELY. I couldn't stand it if Dan wore flip-flops or tracksuit bottoms.

(Well this is awkward, as I think I have a crush on YOU a little bit ;-) XP)

The Green Fairy said...

Well you can still dress nice and not be a gawth.. But yeah this was ridiculous, and the board games guy probably new some things about goth and so just made up some bands...Either that or he's a closet goth :P This is just another example of the members of society not from our subculture completely misjudging it.

Vulcan_Butterfly said...

I think the second those guys walked out the door, she should have seen right through this! They totally looked like someone who has a very stereotypical idea of what "goth" fashion was dressed them up. Also, you can tell that they look really uncomfortable in the clothes, basically, the clothes are wearing THEM. I hate this kind of silly crap. I feel sorry for the poor girl, because they kind of made her look stupid for the sake of TV.

HeatherfoxV said...

Oh well, if you have a crush on me that's okay then. Don't tell shaun though. He'll get ideas and get all sad when I'm all "no what no". Especially considering the conversation we just had about Sascha Grey and a turkey baster full of milk. Whatever you imagine is nowhere near as bad as the reality.

As for the actual subject, I would probably not be interested in talking to someone who looked like a slob. They just give off a creepy neckbeard aura. It's why I find internet relationships easier: i can't see what they look like, so they won't creep me out. I was raised by hippies, but well-dressed hippies...

Kitty Lovett; The Unadulterated Cat said...

BLARG above comment was me! Using Heather's computer at her house, am on autopilot! D:<

Anonymous said...

neurotypical? so normal? so, not on the autistic spectrum? shut up, you mongoloid.

Ashlee said...

... the Tyra Banks' show? I can't take that seriously (or in much of a positive light) after she brought Cathie Jung and another wearer-of-the-corset on. It was an "oh, look at those freaks who mutilate their body? Aren't they *interesting*?" type of thing.

DEATH OF A RAVEN said...

I beg your pardon? I have been diagnosed as having an Autistic Spectrum Condition. Only I know what I feel like on The Autistic Spectrum. There is only one of me. Not two or three. Two or three or even more the same would be neurotypical. You are either one of the other. There is no inbetween. Cromosones X+Y.

Anonymous said...

I know this video is old and this post is old but I'm just backtracking so excuse my late comment. Honestly something tells me this was all scripted or the girl wasn't a "real" goth and just an actress like they do in a lot of tv shows because I don't think someone who has been long enough in the scene could really take any of those guys seriously.

Off topic, where are all the goth guys anyway?

MistressOfTheDecay said...

I think it was very rude, although it is quite obvious they were fakes, and I believe Lizz could tell as well... She seemed as if merely being polite.
I think the short guy was the most fake.

Anonymous said...

Often times, the producers of these shows actually hire actors to play guests, so she may not have even been goth. Or, in some cases, they come across someone, somewhere, and they take a liking to their look, persona, etc..., and the write a loose script around them. More than likely, she was in on it. I know from personal experience, as I was a talkshow guest several years ago.

Morcega said...

If you live in my country, most of the times it isn't the people inside the scene who doesn't want to date with someone of outside. It's the opposite

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